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Last post 05-20-2008 7:22 AM by MikeWo. 1 replies.
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  • 05-19-2008 10:14 PM

    • Parag
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    • Joined on 04-10-2007
    • Mason OH
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    One Fish Two Fish

    First of all i am glad that we have started a key group that is going to help a lot of developers/tech leads/architects/software engineers (myself included).

    Secondly I think we had a good start to the group but some things didnt work out. For one, I belive that since the session was planned with three panelist chosen by mike obviously because he thought they had a lot to contribute based on their experience should have had the floor at all times.

    I came to the session to ask questions. What i found was that once the session turned to fishbowl, the panelist opinions were lost in the bowl :)

    So i propose fishbowl with a difference:

    a) We always have few panelists chosen based on their experience. Once these panelists are chosen they hold the floor for that session.

    b) Remaining participants in the fishbowl can only ask questions.

    c) Questions should be short so that other fishes in the bowl can ask questions.

    d) Every fish in the bowl gets a chance to ask their question (if they have any) before the floor is opened.

    e) The fishbowl should be moderated.

    All this being said/proposed as long as there are people willing to share their experiences and guide I will be present.

    See you fishes at the next Super Fish Bowl
    Parag

  • 05-20-2008 7:22 AM In reply to

    • MikeWo
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    Re: One Fish Two Fish

    Thanks for coming Parag!

    I'd like to get out in the open why I started with a panel discussion and I'll save the biggest reason for last.

    First, I thought that if we were going to have a group based on a particular special interest, such as software architecture it would be good to have some ground work laid as to what that special interest covered.  Thus, the topic "What is an Architect" was selected.  As we discovered this is actually very illusive and ambiguous.  Believe it or not, this was on purpose. It is easy to say that you should not use select * from X in your SQL and here are the reasons why.  It is harder to say that you should use this deployment model over another for all situations.  Part of my vision for the group would be to cover topics that did not have a solid answer.  Having a topic that is ambiguous to start off with I hoped let people get comfortable with the concept that when you leave the talks you should have more information in which to better make decisions, but you may not have any concrete facts.

    Second, I selected the three panelists based my own opinion of people who would fit the role of an architect.  It didn't matter if they were currently doing "architect" work, but rather people I thought would do a good job as an architect if put into that role.  My list was longer than three as I know many people in the area that I think would be good architects; however, I knew the email addresses for these guys off the top of my head. :)  I also didn't want a panel of ten people so I narrowed it down.  The event changed from a panel discussion to a fish bowl because it made sense to do so.  I also wanted to see how the fish bowl would work out and if we wanted to continue its use in subsequent meetings (we will).

    Lastly, and most importantly, I selected a panel discussion to get started because I'm lazy.  It's easy to get people to commit to come talk for an hour or so as "panelists" when they don't have to prepare anything.  They just show up and give their opinion.  That's an easy sell.  It's harder to ask someone to produce a talk on a given subject, especially if it needed to be a specific subject such as "what is an architect".  <sarcasm>I mean, who would even spend time putting together such a presentation.</sarcasm> (I know Joe has a presentation on this, but he had presented it only a few months ago for CINNUG).

    As for Parag's suggestions I'll say this:  I do need to do a better job at moderating.  It is hard to determine what is "off topic" when some of the tangents are very closely related.  It also didn't help that I had to duck out after the prizes to talk to Stacey.  I don't think we will limit the participants to only questions.  I'd really like to see this as a collaborative group and to do so requires everyone have a chance to put in their thoughts.  As discussed that night though, I do like the idea of inviting "experts" and having them sit at the table.  We could make some concessions to allow them to always be at the table, but this would never be more than one person at a time.  They might turn into the moderator which supposedly should sit at the table at all times.

    Michael Wood
    http://www.mvwood.com/blog
    "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." --Thomas Edison
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